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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Παύλο, αν έχεις τόση μεγάλη διαφορά...
      τότε μπορεί να παίζει θέμα drivers.<br>
      Γενικά το debian+gnome3 είναι αρκετά γρήγορο, θεωρητικά θα έπρεπε
      να είναι και γρηγορότερο από ubuntu+unity...<br>
      <br>
      Άρα το ότι κάνει το διπλάσιο χρόνο να φορτώσει μπορεί να σημαίνει
      ότι ανοικτός driver δεν διαβάζει σωστά ή απλά δεν μπορεί να
      αποδώσει όπως ο κλειστός. Το Ubuntu καλώς ή κακώς (μην ξεκινήσουμε
      και flame war) υποστηρίζει άμεσα διάφορα κλειστά "πράγματα" που
      βοηθούν τέτοιες περιπτώσεις. <br>
      Δεν λέω να βάλεις κλειστούς αλλά θα μπορούσες να δοκιμάσεις για
      παράδειγμα στην κάρτα γραφικών σου (η οποία αλήθεια τι είναι;).<br>
      <br>
      Υ.Γ 1' φόρτος εκκίνησης είναι αντικειμενικά πολύ καλός ή έχει
      παλιώσει το pc μου και μου φαίνεται πολύ γρήγορο κάτι τέτοιο :P<br>
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      Στις 31/01/2013 01:43 πμ, ο/η Sergey Tsabolov ( aka linuxman )
      έγραψε:<br>
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      Για δώσε αποτέλεσμα εντολής <br>
      lspci -nn <br>
      <br>
      και αποτέλεσμα από <br>
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      dmesg | tail -n 30<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Στις 30/01/2013 11:34 μμ, ο/η Παύλος
        Πόνος έγραψε:<br>
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      <blockquote
cite="mid:CADcfajGeseXent4D0+4ZDX6QJo-rbrwCeB-gswCMyVsjmt-CWQ@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">Καλησπέρα!<br>
        <br>
        Έτρεξα το lsmod και όλα πλην 2 module που σηκώνονται είναι
        χρήσιμα.. Το ένα που δεν είναι(τουλάχιστον στην φάση της
        εκκίνησης) είναι το vboxdrv και το άλλο το rfkill το οποίο είναι
        για το bluetooth.. Βέβαια για να είμαι απόλυτα ειλικρινής δεν
        καταλαβαίνω και όλα τα module που έχει εκεί γιατί τα ονόματα δεν
        είναι και τόσο ξεκάθαρα, τουλάχιστον για μένα!!<br>
        <br>
        Επίσης δεν έχω ούτε το preload ούτε το prelink εγκαταστημένα.<br>
        <br>
        Όσο για το χρόνο εκκίνησης που ρώτησες.. Απ' τη στιγμή που πατάω
        το κουμπί απ' το λάπτοπ για να ανοίξει σε 1' έχει εμφανιστεί η
        επιφάνεια εργασίας.. Από την εμπειρία μου που είχα για ένα
        διάστημα με το ubuntu 12.04 ο χρόνος για τον ίδιο υπολογιστή
        ήταν στα 30'' περίπου!! Και μιλάμε για υπολογιστή με 6GB ram και
        dual core 2,4GHz επεξεργαστή.. Γι' αυτό με κάνει τόσο εντύπωση
        τώρα..<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">Στις 29 Ιανουαρίου 2013 - 11:26 μ.μ., ο
          χρήστης modenas88 <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:modenas88@gmail.com"
              target="_blank">modenas88@gmail.com</a>></span> έγραψε:<br>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">Στις 29 Ιανουαρίου 2013 - 10:19
                  μ.μ., ο χρήστης Παύλος Πόνος <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ponospaulos@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank">ponospaulos@gmail.com</a>></span>
                  έγραψε:
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                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt
                      0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                      rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Καλησπέρα!<br>
                      <br>
                      Καλή μου φαίνεται η ιδέα να ψάξω κάτι καινούργιο
                      αλλά στο λάπτοπ μου που κάνω δουλειά και θέλω κάτι
                      σταθερό και ασφαλές δεν θα πειραματιστώ με κάτι
                      που δεν ξέρω.. Άσε που στην παρούσα φάση δεν έχω
                      καθόλου μα καθόλου χρόνο..<br>
                      <br>
                      Επανέρχομαι στο θέμα της ταχύτητας στο booting του
                      υπολογιστή.. Αν και έχω σβήσει απ' το startup
                      application όλα τα περιττά (όπως evolution alarm,
                      bluetooth, κτλ...) βλέπω ότι φορτώνει κάτι module
                      για το bluetooth αλλά και κάτι αρχεία για εκτυπωτή
                      ενώ εγώ δεν έχω καν σπίτι μου!!<br>
                      Υπάρχει τρόπος, έστω από κονσόλα, να κλείσω αυτά
                      τα modules που φορτώνουν στην εκκίνηση ώστε και
                      πιο γρήγορη εκκίνηση να έχω αλλά και η κατανάλωση
                      να είναι όσο το δυνατόν μικρότερη;<br>
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                  <div>Για να αποτρέψεις ένα module να φορτώνει στην
                    εκκινηση, αρκεί να φτιάξεις ένα text file στη
                    διαδρομή /etc/modprobe.d. Το αρχείο πρέπει να έχει
                    κατάληξη .conf (πχ foo.conf) και ως περιεχόμενο
                    βάζεις στην αρχή μιας γραμμής το blacklist <όνομα
                    module>. πχ<br>
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                  <div>blacklist nvidiafb<br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Για αναγνωρίσεις τα modules που είναι ήδη
                    φορτωμένα, τρέχεις lsmod.<br>
                    <br>
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                  <div>Ωστόσο δεν νομίζω κάτι τέτοιο να καθυστερεί τόσο
                    την εκκίνηση! Μήπως έχεις εγκατεστημένο το preload ή
                    το prelink;<br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Πόσο αργή είναι η εκκίνηση σε δευτερόλεπτα; Και
                    πόσο έκανα σε άλλα συστήματα; Ένας τρόπος είναι το
                    bootchart για να δεις περίπου τι γίνεται στην
                    εκκίνηση.<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.bootchart.org/" target="_blank">http://www.bootchart.org/</a><br>
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                      <div> </div>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt
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                        rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Πάντως για
                        gnome 3 και 64bit διανομή δεν νομίζω ότι είναι
                        πολλά τα 300ΜΒ στην εκκίνηση.. Επειδή έχω
                        δοκιμάσει πολλές διανομές για να καταλήξω στο
                        debian (αν και ήμουν κάθετα αντίθετος στην αρχή
                        στο gnome 3), για τον υπολογιστή μου ότι και αν
                        δοκίμασα την ίδια κατανάλωση είχα πάντα...<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">Στις 29 Ιανουαρίου 2013
                          - 9:36 μ.μ., ο χρήστης Ioakim Tellidis <span
                            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ioakim.t@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">ioakim.t@gmail.com</a>></span>
                          έγραψε:
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                                <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma,
                                    sans-serif">Είναι πραγματικά μια
                                    καλή διανομή με ωραία κοινότητα. </font>
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                                    </font></div>
                                  <div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">Αν

                                      δεν βαριόμουνα να εγκαθιστώ μια
                                      ντουζίνα software και scripts για
                                      το εργαστήριό μου, πιθανών να την
                                      είχα και εγώ σαν κύρια.</font></div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/27
                                        zisis <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:mysticalgr@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank">mysticalgr@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">paei o
                                            gnome-player, VLC is the
                                            main pleon ;)<br>
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                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/27

                                                  Klearchos-Angelos
                                                  Gkountras <span
                                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kleagkou@gmail.com" target="_blank">kleagkou@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                                  <blockquote
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                                                    style="margin:0pt
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                                                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">μια

                                                    χαρα ειναι !# αλλα ,
                                                    αυτο που χαλασε οταν
                                                    το δοκιμασα ειναι
                                                    οτι ο<br>
                                                    gnome-mplayer δεν
                                                    υποστηριζει ελληνικα
                                                    αλλιως θα το ειχα
                                                    ακομα και τωρα<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Στις 27/01/2013
                                                    02:44 μμ, ο/η zisis
                                                    έγραψε:<br>
                                                    > Paulo,<br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    > give
                                                    !#Crunchbang <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://crunchbang.org/" target="_blank">http://crunchbang.org/</a>>

                                                    a shot, einai based
                                                    on Debian<br>
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                                                      <div>> Wheezy,
                                                        exei mallon one
                                                        of the greatest
                                                        communities pou
                                                        exw dei
                                                        teleutaia,<br>
                                                        > kai einai
                                                        super-cool-fast
                                                        kai
                                                        EXTRA-hackable.<br>
                                                        > to evala
                                                        sto laptop
                                                        prosfata kai
                                                        otan er8ei o
                                                        neos mou SSD, 8a
                                                        ginei my new<br>
                                                        > distro of
                                                        choise! ;)<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > (ton
                                                        dialisa ton hdd
                                                        kai eimai apo
                                                        CrunchBang Live
                                                        twra online
                                                        hehe)<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > p.s: sorry
                                                        gia ta greeklish
                                                        opws eipa trexw
                                                        livedvd kai dn
                                                        exw ellinika<br>
                                                        > oute gia
                                                        digma :P )<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > 2013/1/27
                                                        Klearchos-Angelos
                                                        Gkountras <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kleagkou@gmail.com" target="_blank">kleagkou@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        >> άμα θες
                                                        μπορεις να πας
                                                        και στο mate στο
                                                        debian wheezy<br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >>
                                                        πληροφορίες
                                                        εντός >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download"
                                                          target="_blank">http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download</a><br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >> Στις
                                                        27/01/2013 12:13
                                                        μμ, ο/η mixasgr
                                                        έγραψε:<br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Καλημέρα Παύλο!<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Υπάρχουν αρκετές
                                                        επιλογές,
                                                        ανάλογα με το τι
                                                        μπορείς να
                                                        αλλάξεις.<br>
                                                        >>> Το
                                                        βασικό είναι να
                                                        διαλέξεις ένα DE
                                                        που να ταιριάζει
                                                        στον Η/Υ σου.
                                                        Ίσως<br>
                                                        >>> το
                                                        gnome3 που έχεις
                                                        τώρα να του
                                                        είναι βαρύ και
                                                        θα πρέπει να πας
                                                        σε κάτι<br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        ελαφρύτερο.<br>
                                                        >>> Το
                                                        επόμενο βασικό
                                                        είναι να
                                                        κλείσεις από την
                                                        εκκίνηση ότι δεν
                                                        σου<br>
                                                        >>
                                                        χρειάζεται.<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Έπειτα να δεις
                                                        τις ρυθμίσεις
                                                        από τις
                                                        υπηρεσίες που
                                                        χρειάζεσαι, που
                                                        ίσως<br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        μπορούν να
                                                        βελτιστοποιηθούν
                                                        πχ να αλλάξεις
                                                        κάποιες
                                                        ρυθμίσεις του<br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        γραφικού όπως το
                                                        login screen.<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Μετά σε επίπεδο
                                                        λογισμικού
                                                        μπορείς να
                                                        παίξεις με τον
                                                        πυρήνα/grub.<br>
                                                        >>> Για
                                                        παράδειγμα
                                                        μπορείς να
                                                        δοκιμάσεις
                                                        κάποιον άλλο
                                                        πυρήνα ή ακόμα
                                                        και να<br>
                                                        >>> τον
                                                        κάνεις compile
                                                        ή/και να ορίσεις
                                                        εσύ ποια module
                                                        θες να
                                                        φορτώνονται,<br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        κλείνοντας
                                                        συσκευές που
                                                        μπορεί να αργούν
                                                        να
                                                        ανταποκριθούν.<br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Αυτό είναι
                                                        λιγάκι πιο
                                                        δύσκολο και
                                                        επικίνδυνο
                                                        επειδή θα πρέπει
                                                        να<br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        πειράξεις βασικά
                                                        πράγματα.
                                                        Υπάρχουν πάντως
                                                        αρκετές αναφορές
                                                        σε διάφορες<br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        διανομές ότι
                                                        πειράζοντας τον
                                                        πυρήνα μπορεί η
                                                        απόδοση να
                                                        αλλάξει<br>
                                                        >>
                                                        θεαματικά.<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Τέλος, μπορείς
                                                        να πάρεις και
                                                        ένα SSD δίσκο
                                                        για το root...<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Αυτά μου
                                                        έρχονται στο
                                                        μυαλό αυτή την
                                                        στιγμή!<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Στις 27/01/2013
                                                        11:15 πμ, ο/η
                                                        Παύλος Πόνος
                                                        έγραψε:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Τελικά με το
                                                        clearlooks
                                                        νομίζω ότι είναι
                                                        κάπως καλύτερα
                                                        τα πράγματα!<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Να ρωτήσω και
                                                        κάτι άλλο..<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Σε σχέση με το
                                                        squeeze(που
                                                        είναι πολύ πιο
                                                        παλιά έκδοση
                                                        βέβαια) ο<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        χρόνος που κάνει
                                                        να για εμφανίσει
                                                        την μπάρα επάνω
                                                        για μπορέσω να
                                                        μπω<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        στο ίντερνετ
                                                        είναι πολύ
                                                        μεγαλύτερος τώρα
                                                        που έβαλα την
                                                        wheezy.. Θα μου<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        πει κανείς ότι
                                                        είναι
                                                        gnome-shell, όχι
                                                        gnome-panel.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Η απορία μου
                                                        είναι αν μπορώ
                                                        να κάνω κάτι για
                                                        να βελτιώσω
                                                        λιγάκι το<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        χρόνο που
                                                        χρειάζεται για
                                                        να ανοίξει ο
                                                        υπολογιστής.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Πήγα στο
                                                        /etc/xdg/autostart/
                                                        και έκανα false
                                                        ότι δεν θέλω να
                                                        σηκώνεται<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        κατά την
                                                        εκκίνηση αλλά
                                                        και πάλι δεν
                                                        είδα πολλές
                                                        αλλαγές...<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Στις 27
                                                        Ιανουαρίου 2013
                                                        - 1:31 π.μ., ο
                                                        χρήστης Vangelis
                                                        Skarmoutsos<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:skarmoutsosv@gmail.com" target="_blank">skarmoutsosv@gmail.com</a>
                                                        <mailto:<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:skarmoutsosv@gmail.com" target="_blank">skarmoutsosv@gmail.com</a>>>

                                                        έγραψε:<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                            Εγώ
                                                        χρησιμοποιώ
                                                        Gnome classic με
                                                        θέμα Clearlooks.
                                                        Τα κουμπιά<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                           
                                                        ελαχιστοποίηση,
                                                        μεγιστοποίηση
                                                        και κλείσιμο,
                                                        φαίνονται μια
                                                        χαρά.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                            Στις 26
                                                        Ιανουαρίου 2013
                                                        - 9:52 μ.μ., ο
                                                        χρήστης Παύλος
                                                        Πόνος<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                            <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ponospaulos@gmail.com" target="_blank">ponospaulos@gmail.com</a>
                                                        <mailto:<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ponospaulos@gmail.com" target="_blank">ponospaulos@gmail.com</a>>>

                                                        έγραψε:<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                               
                                                        Καλησπέρα σε
                                                        όλους!!<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                Δοκίμασα
                                                        και πέρασα στον
                                                        υπολογιστή μου
                                                        (βασικά έκανα
                                                        καθαρή<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                               
                                                        εγκατάσταση από
                                                        debian squeeze)
                                                        την debian
                                                        wheezy.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                Ως
                                                        γνωστόν αυτή τη
                                                        στιγμή είναι σε
                                                        φάση frozen και
                                                        μέχρι να<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                               
                                                        μηδενίσουν να
                                                        critical bugs
                                                        (που απ' ότι
                                                        είδα σήμερα το
                                                        πρωί<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                είναι
                                                        περίπου στα 240)
                                                        δεν μπορεί να
                                                        βγει release
                                                        κανονική..<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                Εγώ που
                                                        εγκατέστησα την
                                                        wheezy πριν βγει
                                                        το επίσημο
                                                        release,<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                όταν
                                                        αυτά τα critical
                                                        bugs διορθωθούν
                                                        εγώ θα μπορέσω
                                                        να πάρω<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                τις
                                                        αναβαθμίσεις σε
                                                        αυτά; Στις πηγές
                                                        λογισμικού έχω
                                                        επιλεγμένα<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                τα εξής:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                 -wheezy
                                                        security<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                 -wheezy
                                                        updates<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                Ενώ στον
                                                        έλεγχο για
                                                        ενημερώσεις έχω
                                                        επιλεγμένο τον
                                                        έλεγχο για<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                               
                                                        ενημερώσεις
                                                        ημερησίως..<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                Επίσης,
                                                        ξέρει κανείς
                                                        κανένα καλό
                                                        theme για τα
                                                        κουμπιά<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                               
                                                        "μεγιστοποιήσης',
                                                        "ελαχιστοποίησης"

                                                        και "κλείσιμο";
                                                        Όσα και αν<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                δοκίμασα
                                                        δεν βρήκα κάτι
                                                        καλό. Βασικά το
                                                        default που έχει
                                                        δεν<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                λέει και
                                                        πολλά και είπα
                                                        να ψάξω λίγο
                                                        μήπως και το
                                                        αλλάξω!<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                Greeklug
                                                        mailing list<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr" target="_blank">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a>
                                                        <mailto:<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr" target="_blank">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug"
                                                          target="_blank">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                               
                                                        ----------------------------------------<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                Ο
                                                        Σύλλογος "ΕΝΩΣΗ
                                                        ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ
                                                        ΚΑΙ ΦΙΛΩΝ ΕΛΛΑΚ"
                                                        (GREEK.L.U.G)<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                δεν
                                                        φέρει απολύτως
                                                        καμία ευθύνη για
                                                        το περιεχόμενο
                                                        του<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                                παρόντος
                                                        e-mail το οποίο
                                                        εκφράζει
                                                        αποκλειστικά
                                                        απόψεις του<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                               
                                                        συγγραφέα.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Greeklug mailing
                                                        list<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr" target="_blank">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug"
                                                          target="_blank">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
----------------------------------------<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Ο Σύλλογος
                                                        "ΕΝΩΣΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ
                                                        ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ
                                                        ΦΙΛΩΝ ΕΛΛΑΚ"
                                                        (GREEK.L.U.G)<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        δεν φέρει
                                                        απολύτως καμία
                                                        ευθύνη για το
                                                        περιεχόμενο του
                                                        παρόντος e-mail<br>
                                                        >> το
                                                        οποίο εκφράζει
                                                        αποκλειστικά
                                                        απόψεις του
                                                        συγγραφέα.<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Greeklug mailing
                                                        list<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr"
                                                          target="_blank">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug"
target="_blank">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        ----------------------------------------<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>> Ο
                                                        Σύλλογος "ΕΝΩΣΗ
                                                        ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ
                                                        ΚΑΙ ΦΙΛΩΝ ΕΛΛΑΚ"
                                                        (GREEK.L.U.G)<br>
                                                        >>> δεν
                                                        φέρει απολύτως
                                                        καμία ευθύνη για
                                                        το περιεχόμενο
                                                        του παρόντος
                                                        e-mail<br>
                                                        >> το
                                                        οποίο εκφράζει
                                                        αποκλειστικά
                                                        απόψεις του
                                                        συγγραφέα.<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >> --<br>
                                                        >>
                                                        Klearchos-Angelos
                                                        Gkountras<br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >>
                                                        Greeklug mailing
                                                        list<br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr" target="_blank">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a><br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug"
                                                          target="_blank">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a><br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >>
                                                        ----------------------------------------<br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >> Ο
                                                        Σύλλογος "ΕΝΩΣΗ
                                                        ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ
                                                        ΚΑΙ ΦΙΛΩΝ ΕΛΛΑΚ"
                                                        (GREEK.L.U.G)<br>
                                                        >> δεν
                                                        φέρει απολύτως
                                                        καμία ευθύνη για
                                                        το περιεχόμενο
                                                        του παρόντος
                                                        e-mail το<br>
                                                        >> οποίο
                                                        εκφράζει
                                                        αποκλειστικά
                                                        απόψεις του
                                                        συγγραφέα.<br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <span><font
                                                        color="#888888">--<br>
                                                        Klearchos-Angelos

                                                        Gkountras<br>
                                                      </font></span></blockquote>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Greeklug mailing list<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr"
                                            target="_blank">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug"
                                            target="_blank">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a><br>
                                          <br>
----------------------------------------<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Ο Σύλλογος "ΕΝΩΣΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ
                                          ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΦΙΛΩΝ ΕΛΛΑΚ"
                                          (GREEK.L.U.G)<br>
                                          δεν φέρει απολύτως καμία
                                          ευθύνη για το περιεχόμενο του
                                          παρόντος e-mail το οποίο
                                          εκφράζει αποκλειστικά απόψεις
                                          του συγγραφέα.<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                      </div>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Greeklug mailing list<br>
                                <br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr"
                                  target="_blank">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a><br>
                                <br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug"
                                  target="_blank">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a><br>
                                <br>
                                ----------------------------------------<br>
                                <br>
                                Ο Σύλλογος "ΕΝΩΣΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ
                                ΦΙΛΩΝ ΕΛΛΑΚ" (GREEK.L.U.G)<br>
                                δεν φέρει απολύτως καμία ευθύνη για το
                                περιεχόμενο του παρόντος e-mail το οποίο
                                εκφράζει αποκλειστικά απόψεις του
                                συγγραφέα.<br>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Greeklug mailing list<br>
                        <br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr"
                          target="_blank">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a><br>
                        <br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug"
                          target="_blank">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a><br>
                        <br>
                        ----------------------------------------<br>
                        <br>
                        Ο Σύλλογος "ΕΝΩΣΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΧΡΗΣΤΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΦΙΛΩΝ
                        ΕΛΛΑΚ" (GREEK.L.U.G)<br>
                        δεν φέρει απολύτως καμία ευθύνη για το
                        περιεχόμενο του παρόντος e-mail το οποίο
                        εκφράζει αποκλειστικά απόψεις του συγγραφέα.<br>
                      </blockquote>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <br>
        <br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a>

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a>

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δεν φέρει απολύτως καμία ευθύνη για το περιεχόμενο του παρόντος e-mail το οποίο εκφράζει αποκλειστικά απόψεις του συγγραφέα.</pre>
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      <pre wrap="">
Greeklug mailing list

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr">Greeklug@mail.greeklug.gr</a>

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug">http://lists.greeklug.gr/mailman/listinfo/greeklug</a>

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δεν φέρει απολύτως καμία ευθύνη για το περιεχόμενο του παρόντος e-mail το οποίο εκφράζει αποκλειστικά απόψεις του συγγραφέα.</pre>
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